Spotify’s unique relationship to The Joe Rogan Experience means this is more than just a content moderation issue.
, a lecturer at Harvard Law School who studies online speech, about the questions around content moderation that the Joe Rogan Spotify controversy raises. Our conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.Evelyn Douek: I am in one sense. I’ve been waiting for this for years, and I’ve never really understood how there’ve been this massive blind spot on podcasts that gets a free pass.
Many people aren’t trying to break the rules. They don’t want their content removed from Spotify. But Spotify had these secret rules that it was apparently applying. I mean, we learned throughout this controversy for the first time that Spotify has apparently taken down 20,000 other podcasts for COVID misinformation. That was news to me. We had no idea why those ones crossed the line and Joe Rogan’s podcast didn’t.
I think it really suits Spotify to try and make it a content moderation problem, because content moderation at scale is really hard. The phenomenal hours of audio that are uploaded to Spotify every day is insane. And the idea that they could make the right decision in all of those cases around really contentious issues, where the rules are blurry, that’s an unreasonable expectation.
But that’s not what we’re talking about when it comes to Joe Rogan. He’s releasing a handful of episodes that they’re paying a hundred million for. They are playing the role of a publisher, a broadcaster. And we might have some disagreements around how that editorial discretion that they have in those cases should be exercised.
Yes. The idea of attaching a label is more effective than removing things. We’re also seeing platforms experiment with things like friction. So, as we were talking before about amplification, well, reducing that amplification for certain kinds of content. That’s the kind of stuff that I’m really excited about.
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