'This might be the most important time ever to make art, because this might be the last human art that anyone ever cares about.'
. But now, with the internet and all of these different forms of media, we’re entering a new period of customization again where people are able to customize their existence more. I feel like the kids of the millennials are just going to have wild names.DEL REY: I think it could go anywhere from a simple Maria Estela to, like, Ivory Cricket. Oh, god. That’s a soundbite.
DEL REY: It’s funny, people have been asking me that lately. Ever since I started caring a bit less, and, like you said, disregarding ego—which is easy for me, thankfully—I’ve been writing more short stanza poetry. And now that I’ve done that, I was thinking, “Would I ever write something long-form?” I think I would want to, but honestly, I’m so hyperactive in my life.
GRIMES: It’s interesting to hear you say the word “alternative,” because one thing that I’ve been loving lately is that it’s had a resurgence since Trump. I’d say the peak of alternative music over the last ten years was when people likeor Beyoncé would do this god-level A&R-ing, with all the smartest, most creative people combined onto one record. As we’re talking about the death of the monoculture, I think more alternative music is starting to exist.
GRIMES: Super edge. Earlier this year, for the first time, I had a nice studio. It was this spacious room with windows and soundproofing and it had a view of everything. I was like, “This is going to be great.” And it was terrible. I made nothing. I eventually moved back into the closet, literally. I need to be surrounded by garbage in a closet or I can’t make anything. I need a terrible environment and a bad chair that hurts my back.
GRIMES: I love fixing problems with writing. Almost all my good songs are from some nightmare day where I’m just bawling my eyes out, and then I have to sit down and put it into a thing. I make so much music if I’m in a fight with my boyfriend or a friend, and I just want to impress them.GRIMES: I love trying to win somebody back by writing them a song. On my last record I was like, “I don’t care. I’m not trying to impress anybody.” And on my new record I’m trying to impress everyone.
GRIMES: It’s also a cost thing in real life. If you’re animating something crazy, it normally won’t cost a thing, whereas on film, something crazy is very expensive. We’re always negotiating the cost versus the craziness, which is why we always end up editing ourselves.at least, if you don’t control every part of the process, you fail miserably because what you’re doing is so far-out.
GRIMES: What scares me is an artificial intelligence getting online, seeing everybody’s search history, and then blackmailing all of us into doing whatever it wants. It just feels inevitable. We’ve all sent weird e-mails or texts. Even if there are laws to prevent that, there will eventually be a sentient technology that is smart enough and strong enough and has access to take everyone’s shit, and then can make anyone do whatever it wants, Jeffrey Epstein–style.
MARLING: Somebody was showing me a painting that was auctioned at Sotheby’s or Christie’s that was made by AI. When I looked at the painting, I felt that it was objectively good modern art. But on a level of meaning or depth, it didn’t resonate. Mark Rothko was painting those horizontal color fields, and an AI could imitate that, but I don’t think it could ever give you the feeling you have in a museum when you’re surrounded by huge Rothkos— that’s, for lack of a better word, holy.
GRIMES: I think it’s beautiful that we’re bound by these evolutionary things like procreation. A limited intelligence is actually more interesting in a world where there is limitless intelligence. GRIMES: Which should have more value. I was just thinking the other day how much I didn’t appreciate my mom growing up. I remember thinking, “Why did you wake me up for school? This bitch. Fuck. Why?” I thought I was getting up to go to school for her. I was like, “This is what she wants me to do.” But she definitely didn’t want to go upstairs three times and scream at me to get out of bed at seven in the morning.
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